It has been a very long journey! thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. thanks Dawn for your reply. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) hi dawn. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? You will both be changed deeply by it. She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. Do you think that is true? It is ruled by Pluto and Mars, rulers of Scorpio. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) Again, sadly, this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. P.S. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. thank you for post! Also, I would think that the answer to your issues is not in the composite, but in your natal comparison. I dont know whether this situation is karma? When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. Your post was seemed most fitting for a romantic liaison. The composite chart is probably the best known. I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. Or ? Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Your article is amazing! In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! Thank you very much for the answer. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. What is it that makes it work? Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). Definitely karmic and unbreakable. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. He knows me better than I know myself at times. let go or fight for it? Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. Thank you very much Dawn. thundered In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. It shapes the relationship between two persons. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . Composite Venus in the 12th House. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. Of course, this can lead to overspending and a tendency to overvalue anything that is overindulgent and impractical, but the positive energy Jupiter brings will generally get you through it. Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. . Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! The same person I've had mutual 12th house synastry with has sun in 12th house composite with me. Just a knowing if you will. Because thats what it feels like! Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. (like your name too. This is brilliant and compassionate. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. It also works the other way. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. It depends on your Venus ' condition. Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. Oh the powers of the 12th house. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. Venus (love) and Mars (sex) in the 7th House are a strong testimony as well. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. Your relationship usually starts out as a friendship or as "good friends". Reading Nessus in the houses and signs can provide an individual with different implications. 08.05.20. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? But I think you can count on that Jupiter for evoking good will between you should you decide to reconcile. In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. Talking about Fate! Thank you, Dawn. This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . Chiron in 12th House Meaning, Chiron in Twelfth House Meaning. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. My daughter and I have a 12th house Sun-Moon conjunction (in Cancer) in our composite. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. They might be very sneaky and test people a lot. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. Im sorry to hear your story. They are the lilith wearing an "eve mask". Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . Such a great article! But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. scares me a bit. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! Because, of Saturn and Pluto? I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. We feel that very beautiful in our life! That may mean leaving you behind. The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. The romantic synastric analysis is the interaction of houses between two birth charts. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing In composite we have north node in 12th. Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. Hi!! how this would manifest? They feel invisible or alone. hi dawn We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. Composite, Davison Chart . "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. The fourth house is . what kind of compassion do you think can be generated from a composite mars in 12th house? Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship.